THREE vintage 70’s interviews!
I thought I’d bring some early Christmas joy to the Archive in the shape of 3 recently discovered vintage interviews. We are constantly amazed (as well as curious) as to what material is still out there just waiting to be discovered – and when it eventually turns up, it continues to take our breath away.
These 3 interviews are really interesting. Each of them often possesses a challenge – particularly in regards to dating them, so we usually end up trying to take clues from what is presented, such as the subject, the hair style and even the clothing.
Working through these 3 interviews each of them provide certain pieces of information, and sometimes revelations of particular interest…
I have presented these here in what I believe is the correct order starting with the earliest and made an attempt to date them based on the information and clues provided in the interviews:
Firstly, this is a great interview with Bill Carlson (November 26, 1934 – February 29, 2008), born William Meyer Carlson, he was an American journalist and long time television anchor at WCCO in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Carlson was born in Thief River Falls, Minnesota and grew up in St. Paul, Minnesota. Here he is in conversation with Clint – who is in a particularly happy mood, and talking about Don Rickles and the making of the film The Warriors! So, this is obviously pre-release footage before the film eventually became Kelly’s Heroes. The hair cut also indicates Kelly’s Heroes. Clint also discuses Paint Your Wagon which was also released around the same time period. He also mentions recently completing Two Mules for Sister Sara and now making The Warriors – so this pretty much dates it around late 1969 or early 1970. Kelly’s Heroes was shot in July 1969 and was completed in or around January 1970. Previous to this, Two Mules for Sister Sara was made between February and May 1969.
This second interview is also with Bill Carlson. Whilst it is never clear what film Clint was promoting at the time; clues seem to indicate that this might be late 1971. Clint mentions ‘this year’ we made Play Misty for Me and Dirty Harry in San Francisco. Filming on Misty commenced in Monterey, California, in September 1970, whilst the filming for Dirty Harry began in April 1971 and was released theatrically in the December of the same year. However, if this is the case, there is a very interesting conflict here which might suggest that Eastwood changed his original schedule. During the interview Clint mentions that in ‘the first of the year’ (suggesting that they are closer to the new year) he will be directing Breezy and would not be featuring in a starring role. Clint seemed particularly interested in Breezy at this time and it was obviously still at the fore of his mind, plus if Clint had just come off Misty and Harry, I believe it was Jo Heims who pitched Breezy to Clint during this period. But of course, Clint ended up making Joe Kidd and High Plains Drifter before Breezy which didn’t begin filming until November 1972. So, there is a bit of a contradiction here. If this interview is from late 1971, I wonder if Universal actually got cold feet about Clint directing Breezy so soon? It was a different prospect with Play Misty for Me, as it also starred Clint in the lead role – so was effectively a ‘Clint Eastwood Movie’. If this was the case, did Universal insist on a couple more starring roles from Clint before granting him a green light on a director only project? A couple of Eastwood western movies ‘in the can’ before a riskier venture with Breezy certainly seemed like a pretty good insurance policy - should Breezy fail at the box office? Whilst Breezy was not a huge hit, it did manage to recoup its low budget. If however Breezy was signed and sealed as his next project during this interview we can only assume Clint was promoting High Plains Drifter as his latest release – but as I have said, there is certainly conflicting information. Nevertheless, it’s a real gem.
The last of the 3 interviews seems to be a little later in the 70’s. Again, there is no real mention of the film Clint is currently filming. Interviewing Clint here is American television news reporter, film critic, talk show host, Bobbie Wygant (Roberta Frances Wygant, November 22, 1926 – February 18, 2024). Looking at the terrain here, it’s suggested that this may have been filmed during The Gauntlet. Another clue is in the clothing, close observation reveals that Clint is actually wearing the Josey Wales belt buckle – so it is certainly post The Outlaw Josey Wales. There is also some social discussion which mentions the names John Mitchell and H. R. Haldeman both of whom were in the news and I believe still serving prison time for their part in the Watergate scandal. Filming for The Gauntlet took place from April 4, 1977 to June 1977 in Arizona and Nevada. So, 1977 seems to be a reasonable suggestion for the timeline.